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Out in the Silence

June 17, 2010   //   afaofpa   //   Homosexual Agenda

All Out Attack on Traditional Values in Pennsylvania:

Homosexual documentary falsely accuses the AFA of PA

1.)  of encouraging the boycott of a locally lesbian-owned theatre.
Read the letter to Venango County residents — page 1 and page 2.   This letter so outraged homosexual activists that they contacted the Oil City Police Chief, who in turn contacted the AFA of PA and asked what our intentions were.  He was told it was all outlined in the letter –’educate and let the people decide’!

2.)  of supporting the bullying of homosexual students.
Read that letter to Franklin Area School District taxpayers – page 1 and page 2

After reading these letters, it will be quite clear that the intention of this documentary is to demean all those who do not ‘celebrate’ the homosexual lifestyle, all who expose the dangers of engaging in it and all who reveal the homosexual agenda for what it is:   redefining marriage and family and trying to convince America’s children that homosexuality is a ‘safe, alternative lifestyle.’

By the way — just who is Dean Hamer?  Click here for more information

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Readers Comments (36)

  1. John Smith says:

    It makes me sad that our society is still fighting to hold people back. What is wrong with living your own life and not harming others. Just because it is a traditional value does not mean it is write. Please just take a minute to realize that you don’t need to always be write and re-evaluate your life. Please stop promoting intolerance.

  2. Mary Brown says:

    I actually saw part of the documentarty. It was completely one sided (pro homosexuality) and completely distorted your work. Keep up the good work!

  3. Diane Gramley is a closet lesbian with repressed issues that force her to spend her entire life cruelly destroying other peoples lives because she is so repressed and self-loathing. She is a pathetic miserable vile witch. Just like George Rekers, the pathetic American Family Association Florida closet gay man who hired a rentboy.com escort to travel with him to Europe and tried to claim he was there to carry his luggage. George and Diane need to come up with something positive to live for and stop spending all their days and nights promoting intolerance, bigotry & hate.

  4. E Nyquist says:

    The documentary illustrates quite clearly how even a few tireless individuals, while perhaps well-meaning, can promote fear, hatred, even violence –and most definitely great suffering– upon those around them.

    It also illustrates how a handful of people, working together to improve their communities, and to be good neighbors and good citizens, can defeat an agenda of hate and fear-mongering.

    Christianity is done a disservice when people use it as a tool to divide people, as a tool to hurt people, as a tool to beat others down while raising oneself up.

    Far too many Christians have forgotten the path of Christ. They have forgotten that that path is the way, and the only way to take it is to walk it. With love of your fellow humans, even if you believe them to be wicked sinners.

    Remember who Jesus friends were. He spent his time with prostitutes, the diseased, criminals, corrupt civil servants, and all these other “undesirables” who were perceived by the people of his time as a threat to their traditional values and way of life. Yet these are the people whom he built relationships with, whom he gave his love to the most in his time on Earth; for they were the people who most needed to be shown that God loves them, too. His example was one of love, one that taught others to embrace others, despite differences.

    We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. – 1 John 4:19-20

    When you think of “family values”, look into the face of that mother in the documentary, and see her love for her son. See how much her son just wants to be able to live his life without fear of those who hate. They are a loving family, and a family that would do anything for each other. They support each other, and they protect each other, and they love each other. Aren’t these the things we are talking about when we speak of family values?

  5. Nick Kinkaid says:

    I just finished watching the documentary and thought it was pretty good. Diane Gramley makes me sad.

  6. Dennis B. says:

    Watched the entire thing on YouTube. Smooth, professionally produced propaganda film. Goebbels himself would give it two thumbs up.

    Of particular note was the two lesbians’ outrage at having received a complaint from a neighbor of their Latonia Theater, with him saying he heard Diane say they were using the theater to bring the homosexual agenda into Oil City. So I checked this out myself. First page of Google results-Erie ‘Gay’ News writeup of ‘transgender’ musician’s performance at the Latonia. Now if showcasing ‘transgender’ performers and other deviants at your venue is not bringing the homosexual agenda to Oil City, what is? Most people including myself would not object if it were just a matter of a pair of lesbians restoring a theater and then offering normal, family-friendly fare. Far different than offerings that draw deviants to Oil City like moths to a lightbulb.

  7. Dennis B. says:

    To continue, there’s this tidbit pulled off of a ‘student-rights-in-pa MySpace page:

    BE A PART OF THE REVOLUTION IN SMALL TOWN AMERICA

    Come Support the LGBTQ Movement and See and Hear Transgender Indie/Folk Phenomenon Namoli Brennet’s Performance to Inaugurate the Landmark Latonia Theatre in Oil City, Pennsylvania

    Saturday Feb. 9, 2008
    8:00 PM

    Latonia Theatre
    1 East First Street
    Oil City, PA 16301

    A revolution of sorts has been happening in the hills of northwestern Pennsylvania over the past few years. In addition to fostering a creative arts scene, Oil City and surrounding towns have been at the forefront of efforts to make rural and small town America more hospitable to their increasingly visible gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender residents.

    At the symbolic heart of this movement in Oil City is the Latonia Theatre, a stunning art deco gem lovingly restored by local lesbian couple Linda Henderson and Roxanne Hitchcock.

    ! To help blow the closet door off its hinges, Tucson-based Transgender Indie/Folk Phenom Namoli Brennet is coming to town !

    More than just a “Boy in a Dress,” as one of her song titles suggests, Brennet’s gorgeous arrangements and soulful voice are perfectly suited to make the acoustic magnificence of the Latonia’s monumental and must-see-and-hear concert hall shine.

    PLEASE JOIN US TO RE-OPEN THE LATONIA IN STYLE AND SHOW THE BRAVE FOLKS OF OIL CITY AND SURROUNDING TOWNS THAT WE’RE ON THEIR SIDE.

    Tix: $10 general admission, $5 student ID
    Read more: http://www.myspace.com/student_rights_in_pa#ixzz0uGzB5KhO

    So who lied? Diane or the propaganda film “Out in The Silence”?

    The Latonia IS being used to bring the homsexual agenda into Oil City. The evidence is right there for all to see.

    That’s the problematic thing about the web. Makes it real tough for those who would deceive.

  8. afaofpa says:

    In response to Warren Turner’s comment on June 30th — 1.) this type attack is directly from the homosexual playbook “After the Ball” 2.) there is no American Family Association of Florida

  9. Dennis B. says:

    Not even buying the authenticity of either the “Warren Turner” post or the “E Nyquist”. When I first visited this site last evening those posts were not here. Nor were they here when I made my two previous posts this evening. Suddenly they pop up out of nowhere? Also, “Warren Turner”‘s name is a clickable link to an online homosexual publication containing a Rachel Maddow article about George Rekers and the homosexual prostitute. Very strange. Suspicious.

    “Turner”‘s remark is SHOP. Standard Homosexual Operating Procedure. In the face of any criticism whatsoever, they toss out the “Methinks thou dost protesteth too much” thing in the hope that it will embarass the critic into silence. The accusation against Diane is an obvious variation on that theme.

    Never read the homosexual playbook “After the Ball”. If I run across a copy in a dumpster or at a garage sale for $.50 I’ll check it out.(Though I doubt I’ll ever attend the sort of garage sale that would have such a thing)
    So that particular reverse psychology strategy is outlined in the playbook?
    At any rate, an attack like that is transparent, pathetic, and so, par for the course.

    Also SHOP is their being irate not that there are “rentboys” literally peddling their _ _ _ es or that they believe Rekers to be a homosexual but only that he is a “closeted” homosexual, with the closetedness being the only bad thing in their eyes about the whole episode.

    I’ll probably be getting the same attack. Don’t waste your time. One reason only for my crusade. Shouldn’t have attacked the Boy Scouts in Philly or anywhere else they’ve been attacked which is from coast to coast. Payback time.

  10. Dennis B. says:

    @ Warren Turner- Whilst you condemn “intolerance” and “hate”, you call someone a “miserable vile witch”. By so doing, you prove two things:

    1) your own hypocrisy

    2) the inherent truth in the old adage “Hell hath no fury…..”

    You do indeed sound furious, Warren.

  11. Yahushua's disciple says:

    E Nyquist says, “Remember who Jesus friends were. He spent his time with prostitutes, the diseased, criminals, corrupt civil servants, and all these other “undesirables” who were perceived by the people of his time as a threat to their traditional values and way of life. Yet these are the people whom he built relationships with, whom he gave his love to the most in his time on Earth; for they were the people who most needed to be shown that God loves them, too. His example was one of love, one that taught others to embrace others, despite differences.”

    Let us also remember as He visited with these people His message was then and has always been to repent from our sins and go and sin no more.

    Either homosexuality is right or wrong, it is moral or immoral. You either admit that it is a sin, repent, and then go and sin no more or you don’t. But please remember just because you don’t say that it is a sin does not mean that it isn’t. If you choose to make the difficult decision to confess your sin (any and all sin not just homosexuality) please remember that you may fail as you are tested along the way but you need continue to confess your sin, repent, and sin no more. Everyone must work out their own salvation with fear and trembling and give an account for themselves.

    Homosexuality is a sin. If one chooses to live the homosexual lifestyle it does not hurt me but you are hurting yourself. All sins hurt the perpetrator whether it be lying, stealing, adultery, murdering, fornication, sexual perversion, coveting, etc. Just because we choose to commit sin does not mean that it is ok, moral, or just. That is just the way we try to reason why what we are doing is not wrong to stop our conscience (YHWH’s Spirit) from convicting us. We must be careful in this because there can/will come a time that YHWH will not strive with man forever.

    My hope is that all might turn and know Him and be saved. Wide is the gate that leads to destruction but narrow is the way that leads to life and few there be that find it. There is forgiveness if you will just call upon His name, repent, and be healed.

    May YHWH bless you and may He have mercy on us all.

  12. Dennis B. says:

    HOT OFF THE PRESS!

    Hollywood paints an updated portrait of the American family
    By Carrie Rickey

    Inquirer Movie Critic

    For much of the 20th century, Norman Rockwell’s Freedom From Want served as the portrait of the idealized American family. Here are three generations gathered around the dinner table as a smiling grandma presents her spawn and theirs with a roast turkey as big as a Buick.

    If Rockwell were alive today, when there’s a smorgasbord of options for building a clan, his picture of the American brood might resemble the post-nuclear family of The Kids Are All Right, Lisa Cholodenko’s comedy opening Friday. Here are two lesbian mothers, their two teenagers – each the offspring of one of them – and the sperm-donor dad gathered around the picnic table, getting to know each other over burgers and chips 18 years after bio-dad’s deposit at the sperm bank.

    With Annette Bening and Julianne Moore as “the Moms,” supremely straight in their gayness, and Mark Ruffalo as “Sperm Dad,” nonconformist and noncommittal in his straightness, The Kids Are All Right is one of a clutch of recent films repainting the portrait of the American family. However imaginative some of the plots may be, academics and demographers agree that they represent America’s evolving social arrangements.

    Read more: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_top_stories/20100722_Hollywood_paints_an_updated_portrait_of_the_American_family_.html#ixzz0uRK64t55
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    A merciful Lord is shielding Rockwell from having to witness such a spectacle lest he be spinning in his grave.

  13. Dean Hamer says:

    Maybe people should look at the film and decide for themselves. It’s available for free streaming on Snag Films and Hulu and is also available for download, rent or sale through Netflix, iTunes, Amazon, and other outlets. Here are the links where you can view it privately at no cost:
    http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/out_in_the_silence/
    http://www.hulu.com/watch/157306/out-in-the-silence

  14. I read about this film in Christianity Today and on their recommendation watched it on Hulu. To me the most interesting interesting part was the evangelical minister and his wife; I think they show what Christian Values really mean.

  15. Dennis B. says:

    [ Dean Hamer says:
    July 22, 2010 at 10:25 pm
    Maybe people should look at the film and decide for themselves. It’s available for free streaming on Snag Films and Hulu and is also available for download, rent or sale through Netflix, iTunes, Amazon, and other outlets. Here are the links where you can view it privately at no cost:
    http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/out_in_the_silence/
    http://www.hulu.com/watch/157306/out-in-the-silence

    Thanks Dean but I already did look at it. Found it on YouTube. I always do my homework and never accept anything at face value.

    What did I find?

    Just as I said in an earlier post, a smooth, professionally produced propaganda film. Goebbels would be impressed.

  16. afaofpa says:

    In response to Dennis B.’s first July 21st entry — the posts by Warren Turner and E N’Quist are authentic. The moderator was taking a while in deciding whether to post them or not, and finally decided to go ahead and expose the “tolerant ones.”

  17. afaofpa says:

    re James Kilngger’s July 25th entry: Did you read Diane Gramley’s comments on the Christianity today blog?

    This is what she said:

    I find this statement most interesting “The AFA rep never changes, and refuses to look the gay men in the eye or even have a conversation with them.” It was convenient for Joe to leave out the fact that he had called my home several times over the course of months trying to talk me into being in his ‘documentary.’ Over that time period we talked for several hours, each stating our own positions very clearly. He also leaves out the fact that they purposely tracked down the authors of the letters to the editor and sometimes showed up with their cameras unannounced on their doorsteps. It was also convenient to leave out the fact that the only reason we were at the Oil Heritage Parade was because Governor Rendell was there nor did they adequately portray the efforts they took to run me down with their cameras when they saw me at the parade. Their verbal harassment finally stopped when someone in the crowd said something to divert their attention to allow our escape.

    To get a clearer picture as to what really took place, go to our website to read the two letters that are referenced in the documentary. After reading them, you will see that what is portrayed in Joe and Dean’s movie is not what actually took place. http://afaofpa.org/archives/122/

  18. Rob Lazar says:

    Regarding “Out in the Silence”, I have a couple of observations. First, the pastor and his wife weren’t the only ones from the opposing perspective who agreed to be filmed for the video. I also freely participated to be filmed for the video. And I believe there were others. But Joe doesn’t want anyone to know that. It’s more convenient to say we’re all just bigots. Somehow though, my part was completely omitted. I have to think it didn’t fit with the point-of-view the film wanted to portray. Is that where Joe is promoting propaganda?
    As far as how Diane Gramley is portrayed, Joe never mentions how often he hounded her because of her opposing views. Diane doesn’t ignore gay people “as if they don’t exist”. Diane was ignoring Joe because he was being a pestering jerk.
    Now when Joe says, “Everybody hated CJ”, it promotes an emotional response in the viewer, but is far from reality. Not everybody hates CJ. I certainly don’t hate CJ because he’s gay. And I wouldn’t wish him any harm. Nor would I do him any harm. This is just bad thinking.
    Joe also says people like me, who think homosexual sex is equally sinful with polygamy or consensual group sex, want to “deny gay people basic rights and visibility”. Again, that’s completely untrue. Gays already have the same rights as everyone else. No man is permitted to marry another man. This means gay people do enjoy the same basic rights as everyone else. This may be unsatisfying for gays, but there is no improper discrimination going on. Everyone is discriminated against equally. As far as discrimination goes, I can’t think of anything more equal than equal discrimination. I don’t hate Joe and Dean because they’re gay. And beating up a gay person because he’s gay is wrong. Period. But we don’t need new laws to prosecute that crime.
    Lastly, let me say my same Christian beliefs that convince me that beating someone up is wrong also convince me that there are sins like homosexuality we should avoid. It’s no different than restricting myself to sex with only my wife. It’s natural for a man to be attracted to other women. But I choose to only have sex with one woman within the context of marriage. I really wonder why I wasn’t included in the film. I freely participated and genuinely answered Joe’s questions.

  19. Ben Hennessy says:

    It seemed like in the film all they cared about was the welfare of those gay teens. Bullying is wrong, and certainly not the Christian thing to do.

  20. Dennis B. says:

    So often we see something or someone described as “award-winning” and the question naturally arises , “Well what was the award and by whome was it granted?”

    A Google search did not provide an answer. (I suspect that the ‘award’ was from the Sundance Film Festival and how funny would that be since this ‘documentary’ was sponsored in part by Sundance)

    But the Google is provided this:

    [Human Rights Watch Film Festival 2010: Out in the Silence
    by Bill Weber on June 19th, 2010 at 7:45 pm in Festivals, Film]

    http://www.slantmagazine.com/house/2010/06/human-rights-watch-film-festival-2010-out-in-the-silence/

    Notable about this post were several items foremost being it is illustrated with an unflattering photos of Diane Gramley (the ‘culprit’, I guess)

    But also this passage:

    QUOTE:
    [Along with his overly earnest liberal-activist moves (like booking his transgendered folksinger friend to play a gig in town), Wilson supplies the isolated, cyberschooled CJ with a video camera with which he records neo-Jackass stunts....] UNQUOTE

    So there it is revealed that the appearance of the so-called ‘transgender’ folksinger at the theater was not a naturall occurance but was arranged by homosexual activist Wilson.

    And on that note, I would suggest that while the townspeople should be tolerant of their indigenous homosexual population and should not harass or bully them, the townspeople most certainly do have the right to object, vociferously, to their town being transformed into a ‘cultural’ destination for deviants from throughout the region.

  21. Dennis B. says:

    Out In The Silence on it’s way to Lower Merion Township (Bryn Mawr PA) where a so-called anti-discrimination ordinance is currently under consideration by the LMT Board of Commissioners.

    Just pulled this off the Facebook page of “Equality Lower Merion”, the local subsidiary group of Equality PA which itself is a subsidiary group of the Equality Federation. And EQLM is ‘hosting’ this screening.

    Note that Wilson and Hamer are making a personal appearance. Jason Landau Goodman is the Equality PA acitivist/intern who claimed in two local news articles that the ordinance was his own idea. Tell us again fellas how there is no ‘gay agenda’.

    Also note that this screening was not listed on the OITS website amongst their previously scheduled screenings. Looks like they scrambled to get this up on the big screen before the next Commissioners meeting where the ordinance will be discussed.

    Wondering if Glassman will show up at the screening, (make a ‘special guest appearance’ LOL) or hold off until the next Commissioners meeting. He’ll be popping up to ‘lend his assistance’ just as he did in Doylestown and elsewhere. No doubt about that.

    From the EQLM Facebook page:
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Equality-Lower-Merion/103052236412027#!/event.php?eid=138015976238048&ref=mf

    Time August 13 · 7:00pm – 9:00pm

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    Location The Bryn Mawr Film Institute
    824 W. Lancaster Avenue
    Bryn Mawr, PA

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    Created By Equality Lower Merion

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    More Info http://wpsu.org/outinthesilence
    OUT IN THE SILENCE is “a stunning new documentary” (Philadelphia Inquirer) about love, hate and the quest for fairness and equality in a small Pennsylvania town. Since its premiere last fall, OUT IN THE SILENCE has been shown at the Sundance Institute, PBS nationwide, and around the world. Hosted by Equality Lower Merion, this community screening is free and open to the all in the Main Line commun…ity.

    The screening will be followed by a Q & A session with filmmakers Joe Wilson & Dean Hamer, and Equality Lower Merion organizer Jason Landau Goodman, aimed at engaging the audience in a conversation about inclusion, fairness, and equality for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) people in Montgomery County and the Main Line.

    The film, produced in association with Penn State Public Broadcasting and the Sundance Institute, had its premiere in the 2010 Human Rights Watch International Film Festival at New York’s Lincoln Center. Wilson & Hamer, partners in life and filmmaking, are more interested in using it as part of a grassroots campaign to raise GLBT visibility and promote civic and political engagement in towns and communities across the country.

    [[[[[On the Main Line, the Township of Lower Merion is currently considering a local non-discrimination ordinance to protect the homes and livelihoods of GLBT residents and employees. The ordinance would prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity in employment, housing,
    and public accommodations.]]]]]

    [[[[[The screening of OUT IN THE SILENCE in Lower Merion comes at a perfect time for the Lower Merion community to process the personal and public significance of the highly important ordinance.]]]]]] We look forward to seeing you there for this FREE film screening.See More
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    Wondering if Jason is going to put Hamer and his blushing bride up for the night? After all, without this ordinance they could get thrown out of a hotel in Lower Merion for being homosexuals, as the public was reminded at the first meeting. Oh, wait a minute. There ARE NO hotels in Lower Merion Township. Looks like a sure thing for Jason. ROFL.

  22. Dean Hamer says:

    Thanks for your question about the awards won by OUT IN THE SILENCE, Dennis B. No need to use Google, they are all listed on the website:
    Nashville Film Festival, Special Jury Award for Bravery in Storytelling
    Rhode Island International Film Festival, Alternative Spirit Award
    Rehoboth Beach Film Festival, Audience Award for Best Documentary
    Long Island Gay and Lesbian Film Festival, Audience Award for Best Documentary
    New Zealand Out Takes Film Festival, Best Documentary

  23. Dennis B. says:

    CHESTER COUNTY SCREENING ALERT!!!

    Tredyffrin Library to show film on anti-gay harassment
    Published: Wednesday, August 04, 2010
    By Blair Meadowcroft
    http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/articles/2010/08/04/main_line_suburban_life/news/doc4c58968caa459116302190.txt

    [The award-winning new documentary “Out in the Silence,” which tells the story of a popular teenage athlete who is attacked and tormented for being homosexual in a small rural Pennsylvania town, is making its local debut at Tredyffrin Public Library Aug. 10 at 7 p.m.

    The film, which has won many awards and gained much recognition, is being brought to the library with the help of local activists Anne Todd and Joey Kemmerling, according to filmmaker Joe Wilson.]

    [While Wilson and his team are excited about the continuing interest in their film, they are most enthusiastic about the film’s ability to help communities become involved in the struggle of human rights.

    “This is blossoming in Pennsylvania, so we are starting to work in other states at the grassroots level, and have tours across the country,” said Wilson. “We’ll see where this takes us. There is no end in sight because we’re just at the beginning of trying to bridge the gap of what is happening in small towns and rural areas. We hope to play a small but important role in the emergence of this movement.”

    The film will be played Tuesday, Aug. 10, at 7 p.m. at Tredyffrin Public Library, 582 Upper Gulph Road, Wayne, and will be followed by a Q&A session with filmmakers Joe Wilson and Dean Hamer, Chester County resident Anne Todd and special guest Joey Kemmerling, GLSEN Ambassador and founder of Bucks County-based The Equality Project.]
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    So this covers Chester County. This screening will also cover Delaware County since Tredyffrin adjoins Radnor Township where one of these ordinances is currently under condsideration.

    Do you at AFA PA have any knowledge of or info on this “GLSEN Ambassador” Joey Kemmerling? I expect that the resident/activist Anne Todd will be popping up soon at the Tredyffrin Township Commissioners meeting petitioning for one of these ordinances.

  24. afaofpa says:

    And in addition to all the awards, lets not forget that the American Library Association (ALA) also endorses the film and believes all libraries in the country should have a copy. This comes as no surprise since they deem all material acceptable to all people. “(the) right to use a library” includes free access to, and unrestricted use of, all the services, materials, and facilities the library has to offer. Every restriction on access to, and use of, library resources, based solely on the chronological age, educational level, literacy skills, or legal emancipation of users violates Article V.” http://www.ala.org/ala/issuesadvocacy/intfreedom/librarybill/interpretations/accesschildren.cfm Additionally, the ALA has its own “Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Round Table.” http://www.ala.org/ala/mgrps/rts/glbtrt/index.cfm It says a a lot!

  25. Dennis B. says:

    And thank you, Dean, for your assistance.

    Still can’t find where on your site the awards are listed. After my previous post, I did happen to notice three awards showcased at the top of your home page as screen captures. Only one of those is included in the list you just provided: The Rhode Island International Film Festival. The “Hardacre” and “Human Rights Watch International” Film Festivals are not.

    I fail to see the significance of these ‘awards’ anyway. All but the Nashville and RI Festivals are LGBT festivals so why wouldn’t they give you an award? Nothing to lose and everything to gain.

    Might want to update your “Screenings” listing too. No mention there of Bryn Mawr Film Institute and Tredyffrin Library.

  26. Dennis B. says:

    @afaofpa- Interesting that the ALA has devoted an entire “Round Table” to serving the needs of so-called “LGBT”s yet “feminism” gets only a ‘task force’ under the “Social Responsibilities Round Table”. Interesting since women make up roughly half the population yet so-called “LGBT”s are but a small percentage.

  27. Rustie Rothstein says:

    Diane, I used to be you. I used to feel the same way you do about same sex marriage and about the immorality of homosexuality. I have been a born-again Christian since 1973. But I knew from before I was 18 that I was attracted to women. I prayed about it. I asked God to take those feeling away. I denied it for 30 years. I finally realized that God made me the way I am. My being openly gay has not changed my relationship with God.

    My being able to “marry” a same-sex partner does not take anything away from you or your marriage to a man. If you want to make a positive change in the institution marriage, help make more than 50% of marriages successful.

  28. afaofpa says:

    Rustie,

    No, such a “marriage” takes away from God’s Word. Read Matthew 19:4-6; that is God’s definition of marriage. Agreed: divorce is not in God’s plan except in cases of marital infidelity. But to redefine marriage entirely is not God’s plan either. How do you justify your lifestyle when reading Romans 1? Which Scriptures do you use to confirm the statement, “God made me the way I am”?

  29. Yahushua's disciple says:

    Dear Rustie,

    The heart is deceitful above all things. Out of it proceeds evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, lies, and blasphemies. These are those things which defile the man (and woman).

    The fearful and the unbelieving and the unjust and the defiled and murderers and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and idolaters and all liars, their portion will be in the lake burning with fire and sulfer which is the second death.

    Yah’s people are destroyed for lack knowledge because they have rejected knowledge. Seeing that they have forgotten the law of their Elohim, He will also forget their children. The more they are increased the more they sin against Him.

    And the seed that fell upon rock are those that when they heard, received the Word with joy but they had no root. On the contrary, their faith is for a little while but in the time of temptation they fall away (are offended). Blessed is the man who endures temptations so that when he is examined he will receive the crown of life that Eloah promised to those who love Him.

    Each man (and woman) is tempted from his lust, and he lusts and is drug away. This lust conceives and bears sin, sin conceives and bears death. Because of this put away from you all uncleanness and the abundance of wickedness and receive with meekness the word that is implanted in our nature that is able to make alive your soul.

    Awake and pray that you enter not into temptation. The spirit is indeed willing but the flesh is weak (frail).

    Even though in this time you are discouraged a little by various temptations, YHWH knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgement.

    And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the Kingdom, and the might, and the honor, forever an forever, and ever. Amein (Awe’Main).

  30. Dan says:

    First time marriages (of heterosexuals) end in divorce 55% of the time. Diane Gramley wants to concentrate on people who are gay. Yet all that energy could go into fixing the Heterosexual Divorces. With all that time and energy that Diane has, why is she concentrating spewing hate and lieing and dis-information. My mom had 2 divorces, younger brother 2 divorces, and older brother just might get a divorce. Why not concentrate all your efforts on fixing your Heterosexual brethrens marriages. My mom and brothers need that information.

  31. afaofpa says:

    Dan, that is exactly why the AFA has partnered with Marriage Savers http://www.marriagesavers.org/sitems/index.htm God’s design for marriage is between one man and one woman for life.

  32. Kaj morgan says:

    If homosexuality is indeed a sin then why does it exist in the natural world, apart from humans? Are those animals and insects also an abomination, or rather, is their “sin” an abomination?

  33. afaofpa says:

    Never met a homosexual animal or insect in my life. When left to the natural order, the animals and bugs know which is female and which is male and how to respond accordingly. Since animals and insects do not have souls, they cannot sin. When God created man, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.” Thus only man can know the difference between right and wrong. Those supposed ‘studies’ that have “discovered” homosexual animals and insects are just a desperate attempt to legitimize homosexual acts.

  34. Kaj Morgan says:

    Well, I suggest you do your research and you will find that it does exist in nature. Explain hermaprodites and asexual reproduction?

  35. Kaj Morgan says:

    I dont think you will honor theses arguments though since you separate humans from animals. Myself, i believe we are animals, and I think the earth as a whole as a “Soul”

  36. Yahushua's disciple says:

    Dear Kaj,

    Elohim said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.

    What is man that YOU (YHWH) are mindful of him and the son of man that YOU think of him? Yet YOU have made him but a little lower than the angels and have crowned him with glory and honour. YOU have made him to have dominion over the works of YOUR hands. YOU have put all thing under his feet; sheep and oxen, all of them, yes, and the beasts of the field; the fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea…

    I was brutish, and ignorant; I was as a beast before You (YHWH).

    Surely I am brutish, unlike a man, and have not the understanding of a man…

    …these like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they do not understand and will utterly perish in their own corruption.

    He who has ears let him hear…

    …the fearful and the unbelieving and the unjust and the defiled and murderers and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and idolaters and all liars, their portion will be in the lake burning with fire and sulfur which is the second death.

    Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Turn you at HIS reproof and be instructed, receive wisdom and be clothed with honour. Be not as the brute beasts that are caught and destroyed for you are much better than they. Remember that as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.




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